[Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

dimitris chloupis thekilon at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jan 29 18:06:46 CET 2012


ok I think I found something you may like 

this

http://codemonkeyism.com/comparing-java-and-python-is-java-10x-more-verbose-than-python-loc-a-modest-empiric-approach/



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 From: dimitris chloupis <thekilon at yahoo.co.uk>
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sorry could not find it , nor I remember the name, I have seen one or two . But in any case I think the comparison is obvious. If you visit the language game , the code required by python is usually 2x 3x times less for the same thing.

http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=language%20game&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fshootout.alioth.debian.org%2F&ei=U3olT9_qM4mg0QXFm7TOCg&usg=AFQjCNGFEQY5YsieJO4vPgY-7-9VgoiqHw&sig2=oHKbzwA35yA4puN27g1IIA



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Reference, please :)  I fully believe it.

Bill







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Dimitris,

this is very interesting; I've always wanted to read that kind of study. Do you have a pointer?

Thanks,

Michael

Am 29.01.2012 um 08:51 schrieb dimitris chloupis <thekilon at yahoo.co.uk>:


Maybe not for smalltalk but for python there is a number of surveys that prove that by replacing java with python you can scale down developing time by 2-3x times. By "prove" I mean projects that have actually done that.  Not quite a 10x but I think its impressive non the less and I think the numbers wont be very dissimilar for smalltalk
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> From: Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com>
>To: "Pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr" <Pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr> 
>Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012, 23:29
>Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?
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>Janko,
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>Am 28.01.2012 um 21:08 schrieb Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si>:
>>> I think this is a post that clearly illustrates the big problem with
>>> smalltalk. The very fact that is compared with Java and Java survives.
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>> Yes, that 4-5 peole can do what 50 Java people are needed is both a
>> blessing and a curse :)
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>I wanted to ask this earlier: is there actual evidence for this, or is it just boasting?
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>> Blessing because of productivity, curse because
>> we are not able to scale beyond one highly connected development group.
>> We don't have project management practices and tools, while Java guys
>> have because they need them from the start.
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>I'm not so sure the people at those Smalltalk firms building software for banks et al. have no project management. Boasting? ;-)
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>Best,
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>Michael
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