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Mirko Kiefer mirko.kiefer at arcor.de
Sun Nov 28 21:30:09 CET 2010

On 11/27/10 3:33 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> 2010/11/26 Janko Mivšek<janko.mivsek at eranova.si>:
>> On 26. 11. 2010 18:20, csrabak at bol.com.br wrote:
>>> Em 24/11/2010 11:50, Jan van de Sandt<  jvdsandt at gmail.com>  escreveu:
>>>>    A  Smalltalk variant would  use Smalltalk  as the  source language
>>>> instead of Java,  the other parts of GWT can be  reused. GWT is open
>>>> source (Apache 2.0 license).
>>> I think we have first to evaluate to what audience/market are thinking of
>>> targeting this effort, then estimate the effort, in order to see if its
>>> worth it.
>> Specially we the web guys are very interested of such a beast, because
>> we need to develop more in more on the client side and in JavaScript,
>> which is a bit hard, because of our Smalltalk habits, you know :)
>> Even more, Smalltalk on the client (Clamato way) can also solve one of
>> the main JavaScript problems: debugging on the client side. If we can
>> have near the same debugger on the client as we have in our IDE's, well,
>> this would be a huge step forward.
> indeed. debugging JS is hard. Most of the times, all you can do is to
> put 'alert(...)'
> in interesting places, to see what's going wrong.
> But there are things, like
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/
> didn't tried it.
Igor, I recommend having a look at the build in developer tools in 
Safari or Google Chrome (they are the same). They give you a very 
powerful debugging and profiling environment and the option to inspect 
all Javascript objects on runtime. On the debugging side there is 
actually very little that you would miss from Pharo.
>>> If the attempt is a reinterpretation a Smalltalk base development environment
>>> would make a difference in the ecosystem we must check if we aren't flared
>>> by our preference of languages versus operational pragmatics.
>>> If the idea is to have such environment to the present (and sadly minute)
>>> community of Smalltalk developers, probably the effort would attend to a
>>> very small clientèle and the returns will be elusive and the project will
>>> end orphan.
>> --
>> Janko Mivšek
>> AIDA/Web
>> Smalltalk Web Application Server
>> http://www.aidaweb.si

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