[Pharo-project] Smalltalk, git, files, the universe and everything...okay not everything:)
garduino at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 22:53:42 CEST 2011
2011/4/20 Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillo.bruni at inria.fr>
>> Objection! ;)
>> Using git has nothing to do with a file based system. The approach would
>> be to use git as a storage backend for monticello. Git just stores 3 types
>> of objects: commit, tree, blob.
>> There are no files involved!! So this would be perfectly compatible with
>> and image based system such as smalltalk.
>> see: http://book.git-scm.com/1_the_git_object_model.html
>> personal rant from here on >>>
>> However I see that smalltalkers tend to ignore the fact that there are
>> other tools not written in smalltalk which are widely used and they actually
>> work! For instance monticello. Although the model works perfectly fine, the
>> UI is just plain crap, it does not provide a nice workflow nor is it
>> readable... Git on the other hand might be too complex, but it lets do more
>> stuff on the command line, in an easier fashion than the mc tool.
>> Smalltalkers tend to reinvent the wheel, which is sometimes nice, if its
>> well designed and actually works, but many times its rather a waste of time,
>> than just relying on existing working infrastructure that people outside
>> smalltalk build.
>> What I see in Pharo is a good move towards making these tools work again,
>> most of them are just old and ignore common UI principles.
>> And Smalltalk is not the holy grail, its just yet another programming
>> language, which has nice syntax ;).
> You're joking right? Smalltalk is not a programming language, it is an
> object system, including a programming language, a library, tools etc.
> Please, let's not completely misunderstand what Smalltalk is in this
I full agree, as like to say a well know Smalltalker here, Smalltalk
is an objects environment who has a language (between other things).
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