[Pharo-project] Status of Alien

Schwab,Wilhelm K bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
Wed Feb 9 02:45:21 CET 2011


Eliot,

No lack of patience implied: just mentioning some things that I have picked up as off in the future and that would make us all stronger.  

Re the calls on OS threads, that is GREAT news.  What strategy are you using to assign calls to the threads?  I ask because there is a tradeoff between using a pool and taking what is ready to go, and coping with thread affinity.  Example: OpenSSL is "easy" to call if one uses blocking calls and simply moves them out of the main thread (at least it worked for me on Dolphin).  When I did this, I had to write a wrapper DLL to combined calls (connect, read, send, etc.) and checks for error status because otherwise, Dolphin would typically use different threads for the calls and the error test call was meaningless.  IIRC, now they always use the same OS thread for any given Smalltalk Process - I think.

I fixed a few more things that have been pinning me to my hacked vms, so I will hopefully be able to more easily experiment.  I will look around for Alien on Linux and give it a try if I find it.  I am also looking forward to running my "real" images through Cog.

Bill


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From: pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Status of Alien

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab at anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab at anest.ufl.edu>> wrote:
Torsten,

I have been under the impression that it has never worked on Linux - it would be great to be wrong on that.  Does anyone have Alien on Linux waiting for someone to try it?

I would be very surprised if it didn't work.  We at least use the data manipulation side of things routinely at Teleplace.


One thing slowing my search for FFI/Alien improvements has been that I was initially dependent on some vm modifications that I made.  Some off-line correspondence with Dave Lewis and the benefit of some time might have yielded a solution that will let me return to stock vms.

I need to integrate my new callback support and the ReentrantFFIPlugin into the standard interpreter as soon as possible.  The ReentrantFFIPlugin  provides compatibility with the old squeak FFI plugin but also allows aliens to be passed as arguments, at least to the extent of passing Alien Callbacks.  This means its possible to discard the Alien callout support and use the FFI instead (but just to reiterate to keep the Alien data representation and callback facilities).  The project for the next few weekends has to be harmonising the primitive set and functionality of Cog and the standard interpreter now that the StackToRegisterMappingCogit looks complete.


FFI has generally worked for me.  I am doing a horrible job of handling double arrays, but I am at least able to use them.  My "solution" makes assumptions about byte order and I have declare double* as void*.

There was mention of extending FFI with callbacks.  Given that capability, the only thing missing would then to be make calls on OS threads to avoid blocking the image (but blocking the calling Smalltalk Process for the duration of the call).

I have this in prototype and want to release soon.  But there is too much else going on right now.  Patience please.

best
Eliot


Bill


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From: pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr>] On Behalf Of Torsten Bergmann [astares at gmx.de<mailto:astares at gmx.de>]
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Subject: [Pharo-project] Status of Alien

What is the status of Alien.
According to

http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7475

there is no one who confirmed it working on Linux.

Any news here? Any ideas on FFI/Alien successor?

Thanks
T.
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