[Pharo-project] weak announcements

Tudor Girba tudor.girba at gmail.com
Tue Feb 15 18:59:52 CET 2011


Hi,

Yes, it is meant to be integrated in Pharo 1.3.

Ok, but then PharoTaskForces should not delete the packages after they are integrated.

The reason is that I want to use these announcements before you release 1.3, and thus it will appear in ConfigurationOfGlamour. Is that Ok?

Cheers,
Doru


On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:53, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> if this is to be integrated in 1.3 (which I hope :)) then I would prefer PharoTaskForces
> 
> Stef
> 
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> So, the current situation is that we can make rather quickly on:send:to: work weakly.
>> 
>> There is an almost working version in Lukas' repository, and Esteban and me will try to get it to work. Now, the question is where to publish this. I would suggest to create an official squeaksource.com/announcements repository.
>> 
>> Is that Ok for you, or do you prefer to have it in squeaksource.com/PharoTaskForces?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:21, Tudor Girba wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Esteban,
>>> 
>>> I finished the Glamour changes to only use on:send:to: between the Glamour model and the Glamour renderer.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2011, at 17:37, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Esteban,
>>>> 
>>>> I started to refactor all usages of on:do: and when:do: into on:send:to: in the core of Glamour. I am almost finished.
>>>> 
>>>> Now the only question is if we want to distinguish between WeakAnnouncer and Announcer. Is there a performance penalty or another kind of drawback in merging the two and use the WeakAnnouncer implementation only?
>>>> 
>>>> The other thing is that we need to add on:send:to:with: and on:send:to:withAll: because we need to handle extra parameters (given that we cannot access local variables).
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 15 Feb 2011, at 13:45, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well... not exactly, still something to do: the weak associations on weakannouncer are getting a lot of pairs #selector->nil and we need to think in a way to clean this. But this is doable :) 
>>>>> In other order of things, I think we should explicitly forbid the use of #on:do: and #when:do: until the fix for blocks is ready.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Esteban 
>>>>> 
>>>>> El 14/02/2011, a las 6:55p.m., Tudor Girba escribió:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aha. Thanks a lot. Ok, let's do that. Is it true that the Lukas' Announcements already provide the support for on:send:to: ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Doru
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2011, at 22:04, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Well, this means, in the mean time, if we want to solve our issue 492 using weak announcements, we need to replace all #on:do: calls for #on:send:to: 
>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Esteban
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Inicio del mensaje reenviado:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> De: Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse at inria.fr>
>>>>>>>> Fecha: 14 de febrero de 2011 17:57:07 GMT-03:00
>>>>>>>> Para: Pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr
>>>>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] Working with weak announcements...
>>>>>>>> Responder a: Pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> good question :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On FHi, 
>>>>>>>>> I'm working with weak announcements,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> good we need that. 
>>>>>>>> Igor was telling me that the right anwser are ephemerons (but for that: gc change is required).
>>>>>>>> Now it would be good to have first a solution at image level
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> trying to make it work, and I have a problem in #on:do: protocol (or #when:do:) 
>>>>>>>>> I try to explain: 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This method receives a block, not an object/selector, so I can't create a WeakMessageSend which is the appropriate message to handle in other cases.
>>>>>>>>> Well, the real question is... how can I produce a "Weak BlockClosure reference" who can die if receiver dies? 
>>>>>>>>> I tried some hacks (really ugly hacks, btw), but fail completely. 
>>>>>>>>> Any idea?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>> Esteban
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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