[Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry

Stefan Marr pharo at stefan-marr.de
Fri May 6 12:57:05 CEST 2011

Sorry for the flam below. I didn't have the time and energy to rewrite it.

>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation for any part of the system?
>>> Or a bug fix?
>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We welcome comments/examples help.
No, I report things on the mailing list, and I complain here and there about the narrow-mindedness of Smalltalk-evangelists.
And when it comes to documentation, I document that RoarVM you might have heard of. If that is not interesting for you, sorry, we just don't share the same interests.

>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :)
> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help?
Stef, if you haven't noticed: I don't care about Smalltalk, and I don't care about Pharo, or any other language out there in particular. I don't share your vision, I have other goals in life.

The only thing I do here is to point out the obvious (at least from my narrow-minded perspective).

> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call that a documentation. 
> Now we can take the book contents and generate html
> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one.
> People are free to join and write one or two chapters.

That's what I mean. From my perspective, books about programming languages are a wast of effort.
You need a good entry level book, that is all it takes.
The rest is great online documentation.

Unfortunately, Smalltalkers don't know anything outside the image...

I don't know how other people work, but I never look into books when I program. They just don't work.
They are slow, outdated and hard to search in.

Honestly, I don't understand why books are a priority for you when you want to develop a community.
You got a good entry level book, so what is the motivation to write another one?

As I said, that is obviously my point of view, based on the way my workflow works.

I prepare now Clojure assignments for my students, and there is also not a lot documentation out there, but all I need is centrally accessible at a place I easily identified with google.

There is exactly one important window on my screen:
Thanks to my browsers search, everything is there.
The Clojure book on my desk is just lying there and collecting dust...

Best regards

Stefan Marr
Software Languages Lab
Vrije Universiteit Brussel
Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium
Phone: +32 2 629 2974
Fax:   +32 2 629 3525

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