[Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Sat May 7 09:07:11 CEST 2011


> 
>> Ah, and the day has just 24h so don't expect anything from me beside the VM work, thats already enough to keep a whole team busy.
> 
> This statement is true for most of us, just replace "VM" with something else.
> 
> About RoarVM.
> I think the main reason why RoarVM does not exists for Pharo is
> because there was no discussion and planning beforehead, how we could
> cooperate.
> Where the discussion, how we could introduce new execution models, and
> gradually (means step by step) migrate to new VM?

+1 
> 
> Take into account there there is virtually no knowledge outside of
> your team, what has to be changed in order to make Pharo run on
> RoarVM.
> So what did you expected? That people drop everything which already
> works well for them and hastily migrate to new platform?
> 
> How about CogVM? Should we stop developing it? Or we should start
> supporting both? And can we do that without too much pain? Give us the
> idea.
> 
> I, personally all for having VM which knows how to exploit
> multicore/manycore systems. But at what costs?

+1

> At cost of throwing away everything and implementing new VM and new
> smalltalk from scratch? I can do that myself. But then i wouldn't come
> to pharo list to say
> that i don't give a shit about pharo.
> Because if i would like Pharo to use my stuff, i will stay with people
> and help, and try to figure out how we can manage to leverage new
> technology without jumping too high
> with the risk to break the legs.

+1 
> 
> It makes no point saying here that you don't give a shit about Pharo.
> If you don't, why pharoers should?
> 
> I appreciate the engineering effort what you have did. But its a top
> of the iceberg. Migrating existing system to another platform is very
> complex task,
> and given that day has 24 hours in it.. figure the answer :)





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