[Pharo-project] usability of Pharo and Squeak

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Tue May 31 10:21:34 CEST 2011

Thanks andreas for your feedback. 
We are working hard and we are making a lot of progress. Now if people do not help then it will be slower.
In Pharo our problem is not that we do not know the problems and we have a vision and a really cool and sexy one. Give us 4 engineers and two years and you will not recognize it at ALL. Now we work every day to make it better. 


On May 31, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Andreas Wacknitz wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have convinced a friend to take a closer look at Pharo 1.2.1 and Dolphin Smalltalk. He is an experienced Java developer.
> After some time he started to complain about Pharo. I was discussing with him and now think that he has some valid points.
> His biggest complaint is: "Why does Pharo always show windows at sizes and positions I don't want?"
> I answered him: You could set the standard window size in the class RealEstateAgent and furthermore you can create or change >>initialExtent methods in every class that is involved.
> But his answer was: Why should I do that? It's the responsibility of an IDE. I don't want to program elementary things of my IDE. Why is there no mechanism that let a user set the sizes and positions of windows? Netbeans and Eclipse are doing that nicely. Why isn't it possible in Pharo?
> After that discussion I now question my own way of using Pharo and Squeak. I have created some changesets that I used to file in when using
> a fresh image. But that seems stupid now...
> His second complaint was that he doesn't like the cluttered windows. While programming he had a lot of open windows and told me that he lost overview.
> Especially in Pharo he is complaining about minimized windows that are hard to distinguish. He better likes Dolphin with tabbed windows that are common in other IDE's.
> Regards
> Andreas

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