[Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found

Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda at gmail.com
Tue Jan 31 23:53:09 CET 2012


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab at anest.ufl.edu>wrote:

> Eliot,
>
> Interesting news...  On Linux?  Is there a good place to hunt for examples?
>

Yes, on all three platforms.  Alien.  See
http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien/Alien-kb.15


>
> Bill
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr [
> pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Eliot Miranda [
> eliot.miranda at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:41 PM
> To: Pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
> <mailto:bschwab at anest.ufl.edu>> wrote:
> Göran,
>
> Thanks for what you do, and for noticing what I (at least try) to
> contribute.  Some other "tangible" items in my queue *will* be worth the
> wait[*].  I sincerely hope you are correct about a misunderstanding being
> at the base of thread.
>
> Hopefully, we can all dust ourselves off [**] and make FFI robust
> everywhere.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill
>
> [*]  I know I've said this for essentially Pharo's entire life cycle, but
> it's true...   Callbacks, my kingdom for callbacks.
>
> Callbacks in Cog work.  The threaded VM needs work, but synchronous
> callbacks from blocking FFI calls work now.  You may have to integrate
> image-level code but the VM has support and it works.
>
>
> [**]  Some US slang for Stef's benefit :)
>
>
> ________________________________________
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> pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr> [
> pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:
> pharo-project-bounces at lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of Göran Krampe [
> goran at krampe.se<mailto:goran at krampe.se>]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:05 AM
> To: pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:
> pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found
>
> Hi guys!
>
> On 01/09/2012 09:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> > On 09 Jan 2012, at 20:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> >> I think you have the situation very much in reverse.  You are flying
> off the handle, not me.
> >>
> >> Cog deserves better than to ignore feedback from motivated users.
>  Motivated users deserve better than to be insulted for their efforts to
> improve it.
> >
> > Pharo, Squeak, Cog, Seaside, and most other Smalltalk software on
> SqueakSource is open source, written almost exclusively by people in their
> free time. And although most of them will try to help the users of their
> software the best they can, they cannot and should not do just anything
> unless they want to. The relation between open source authors and their
> users should be mutually productive. Using software and giving feedback if
> one thing, but it is not enough. It can't be one way all the time.
> >
> > I might be wrong, but I fail to find
> >
> > - any issues you put in the issue tracker(s)
> > - any issues you solved
> > - any open source software you published on SqueakSource or anywhere else
> > - any blog post or web pages with documentation, tutorials, .. that you
> wrote
> >
> > I hope you get the point: there are many more ways to contribute than
> what you are doing now.
> >
> > Pharo and other projects need all the help they can get, give back to
> the community, we are all using software written by others in the same
> spirit, it is only fair to honor these contributions.
> >
> > My 2c,
>
> This thread is long dead but I just wanted to mention that Wilhelm
> Schwab is a long time Squeaker and has been active in the community long
> before Pharo was even born. ;)
>
> Now, it seems to me that the "heat" in this particular thread was based
> on a misunderstanding, I know Eliot and it didn't seem to me he was
> trying to insult.
>
> General observation: Try taking it easy on the "what the heck have you
> done for us?"-talk. I have made several such similar posts too over the
> years when I got frustrated, but it might backfire if you aren't
> shooting at the "right people". We take pride in being a friendly
> community (Smalltalk at large) and I presume Pharo does too :)
>
> regards, Göran
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> best,
> Eliot
>
>
>


-- 
best,
Eliot
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